Comments on: The Minute After: St. John’s https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/ Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball news, recruiting and analysis. Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: MikeinNC https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-278033 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:43:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-278033 In reply to CreamandCrimson.

Let’s hope so.

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By: earl https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-278019 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:19:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-278019 In reply to SCHoosier.

It’s CTC, while JBJ isn’t a complete player by any stretch he has some strengths. CTC needs to put him in the right situations, isolating him and asking him to take his guy to the hole and scoring isn’t what JBJ can do at this stage. He needs to be utilizing screens to get mid range jumpers, 3 point shots and he needs to do it with a consistent line up where everyone knows their role. This team feels like 5 guys trying to do it on their own, at least in crunch time when the defenses get tougher and the pressure rises.

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By: IUMIKE1 https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277993 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:49:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277993 In reply to MisterSlippery.

I know what you’re saying, and it does sound like something outlandish to try, buttttttttt then again what is being done isn’t exactly shutting teams down either. Have to try something different, don’t know that that is the answer, but we gotta do something different. Try it for a little bit just to see, cause we can always switch back, it’s not like it’s a, “if it’s not broken don’t try to fix it”, scenario. Worst short term damage would be that they get some easy baskets that they are already getting.

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By: IUMIKE1 https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277989 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:42:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277989 In reply to BruceA.

Heard that also and also agreed with it. That means that it is even more important that they work together as one cohesive unit to lessen the effect of that being true, but I’m believing more and more all the time that this coaching staff, for whatever reason, just can’t get that accomplished.

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By: BMusic https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277948 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:47:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277948 In reply to CreamandCrimson.

I noticed that. A couple times I saw him just sitting there, like Boeheim.

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By: CreamandCrimson https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277928 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:57:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277928 In reply to MikeinNC.

Okay…that’s fine. This stuff has been discussed ad nauseum on ITH both in the offseason and during the season. I understand it and I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with anything you’ve said, I’m just choosing to focus on the current games being played. Tom Crean is the coach for at least this season and that won’t be re-evaluated until after the season so I’m not going to rehash or go through each of your points…they are all valid and understandable opinions though.

He benched two guys for poor play and yanked a player (Zeisloft) after a mental lapse so that was at least some type of change…baby steps. I just thought you were referring to the literal clapping on the sideline that made him look manic at times and I’ve seen a lot less of that this season. Anyway, hopefully today is another baby step forward…go Hoosiers.

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By: FU2 https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277926 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:49:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277926 In reply to Larry Brown.

Couldn’t agree more, I firmly believe Fred Glass is part of the problem not the solution. How ridiculous is it to watch pUKe perform at elite levels year after year while we are now relegated to the average/good levels. We used to be considered a Blue Blood basketball program, that sun set on us years ago.
To truly get back to elite status we need an elite coach leading us, a proven winner whose won championships. As a prior posted above said the only thing elite about IU bball is the coaches salary….

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By: MikeinNC https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277925 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:47:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277925 In reply to CreamandCrimson.

Fair point. I think of the clapping as a euphemism for a lack of substance – players that don’t improve over time, teams that do not improve over the season, classes that do not gel and never have leaders emerge, press conferences where the same problems are discussed but never improved, second halves where the other coach adjusts and we don’t. Defensive intensity and overall intensity that is frequently discussed but does not improve. The clapping is the Crean way – it’s almost as if he tries to use displays of energy and enthusiasm to overcome a lack of effective coaching and leadership. If he puts on the energetic front it will somehow overcome the fact that he is frequently out coached and is probably middle of the pack at best in the Big10 in terms of coaching ability (although his enthusiasm along with the lavish support of the athletic dept due help him overcome some of this with great recruiting classes). But in the end, all the talent arrives and generally underperforms because when the players get here they start to realize he cannot get them to gel as a unit and they are not addressing the persistent issues that are plain as day but never improve. So the players just default to making sure they take care of #1 – oh they are smart enough to give the right sound bytes at pressers about leadership, accountability, teamwork, defensive intensity, and playin hard for forty. But in the end, like much of what Crean does, those are just words with no real meaning or execution behind them to back them up. Just empty clapping.

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By: Khoosier3 https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277924 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:46:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277924 In reply to whomikewho.

Pre-season rankings are a bunch of Bull. They take into account what you bring back from the previous season and what you bring in. It also factors in the potential of the team. Believe it or not, this team has loads of potential AND talent. I thought #13 pre-season ranking was low for the pieces that we have. HOWEVER, low and behold, the season starts and you get brought back down to Earth. Seeing us on the court makes you remember things never change. Year in and year out we have the same problems. Turnovers and can’t play defense. We will fall out of the rankings soon enough and be a bubble team come March. And that #13 rankings will just be a sour memory of what could have been.

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By: VAHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277923 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:45:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277923 In reply to BoxingGlobe.

He’s averaging 7 assists per game with a 3:1 assist/turnover ratio. Yogi is distributing the ball just fine, and I hope he keeps trying to score.

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By: VAHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277922 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:41:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277922 In reply to Arch Puddington.

I’m not ready to buy that narrative, yet (I know, how much more evidence do I need…!). The first 10 minutes of the 2nd half against Wake, we played *very* good defense. Our guards, in particular, were pressuring the ball and denying passing-lanes very well. Rob Johnson stood out to me defensively during that stretch. (Thomas Bryant, unfortunately, continued to be abused by Devin Thomas, but that is another story.) This team is capable of playing pretty good defense for stretches, but they just seem disinterested much of the time; they lack defensive intensity. I absolutely think this is a coaching problem, but more of a motivation issue than a technical issue.

The story of this season is not yet written. It may be that this team does not have a blue-collar bone in its collective bodies; maybe they’re just soft. But I’m still hopeful that pride, if nothing else, will spur them to better defense.

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By: MisterSlippery https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277912 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:11:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277912 In reply to BMusic.

You have to be kidding

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By: INUnivHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277911 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:05:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277911 In reply to PBzeer.

We’ve got nice facilities.

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By: INUnivHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277910 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:04:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277910 In reply to IU_fan_in_Lafayette.

Stop drinking the Lafayette water. It’s making you a jerk.

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By: INUnivHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277909 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:58:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277909 In reply to Arch Puddington.

*directly at the team’s expense

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By: INUnivHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277908 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:57:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277908 In reply to CreamandCrimson.

I don’t know why it even matters. It’s just a dig.

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By: CreamandCrimson https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277907 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:48:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277907 In reply to MikeinNC.

I know it’s tough to derail narratives once they take hold and it’s actually entirely irrelevant but….in my opinion, Tom Crean hasn’t been “clapping” nearly as much and hasn’t been nearly as demonstrative on the sideline as we’ve seen in the past. I don’t think it’s indicative of anything and I don’t think it has any impact either way but since you mentioned the clapping (a lot), I thought I would throw that out there and see if others have noticed the same thing, or if others care at all.

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By: Jimmy Chitwood https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277905 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:50:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277905 In reply to BoxingGlobe.

He’s always had scorers around him mr, obvious.

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By: Jimmy Chitwood https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277904 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:48:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277904 In reply to BruceA.

Haha!! wow just wow!

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By: Jimmy Chitwood https://www.insidethehall.com/2015/11/24/the-minute-after-st-johns/comment-page-1/#comment-277903 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:46:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=50803#comment-277903 In reply to sam.

Haha you’re clueless.

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