Comments on: Hoosiers’ “roller-coaster” season stagnates in loss to Illini in Big Ten tournament opener https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/ Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball news, recruiting and analysis. Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:33:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: IUMIKE1 https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-210103 Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:33:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-210103 In reply to Snookafly.

Was offered and he turned it down. Bennett at UVA was also offered and he turned it down as well.

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By: NotTheRealSteveEyl https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209393 Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:40:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209393 In reply to William Hagenmaier.

Respectfully, that seems very shortsighted from IU’s POV.

If we had Noah next year (which I really doubt), along with some shooters, we might have a chance.

If he leaves, we won’t have much of a presence up front.

Seems like maybe you’re just angry at an 18 year old kid, which is a totally different issue.

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By: William Hagenmaier https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209378 Sun, 16 Mar 2014 11:20:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209378 In reply to NotTheRealSteveEyl.

let him go i will help him pack his bags

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By: William Hagenmaier https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209377 Sun, 16 Mar 2014 11:17:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209377 In reply to CreanFaithful.

if he wants to go pro thats fine with me we dont need these these one and done players

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By: INUnivHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209296 Sun, 16 Mar 2014 02:33:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209296 In reply to Robert J Morgan.

If you were considering his overall performance, you should mention more than points. You should also consider that he is a 5th year senior that shouldn’t be turning the ball over as much as he does. At least Stan and Troy are freshmen.

Additionally, I don’t care what Bob Knight has to say. He lost my respect when he couldn’t muster up the stones to show his face around the program after everyone involved with his firing was long gone. Indiana is more than Bob Knight. I didn’t go to school at Bob Knight. I don’t have a degree from Bob Knight. I don’t go to watch Bob Knight coach. I didn’t watch his teams to see him stalking the baseline and smashing phones.

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By: Ole Man https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209252 Sun, 16 Mar 2014 00:50:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209252 In reply to Kenneth234.

No. The sadness occurred when you felt it necessary to speak of that history.
Wouldn’t it have been easier to say Knight would have disciplined rather than alluding to the “choke”?
That was the part that threw me off.

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By: Kenneth234 https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209248 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 23:17:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209248 In reply to Ole Man.

Its sad that you are taking offense to things that happened as part of Bob Knight’s and Indiana’s actual history. Let alone, using this as some indication of the lack of being a real Hoosier fan. Really sad!

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By: William Hagenmaier https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209244 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 22:33:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209244 In reply to CreanFaithful.

check out facebook Kentucky shame face book page its a real hoot

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By: William Hagenmaier https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209241 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 22:31:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209241 In reply to CreamandCrimson.

Of course cody is not gonna say he made a mistake going pro and he did make a big mistake

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By: Robert J Morgan https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209229 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 20:25:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209229 In reply to INUnivHoosier.

Your stats are impressive. But as we all know when you come off the bench cold, it take a few minutes to get into the flow of the game. And when you know you are not the go to guy you do not feel like you should shoot. If you remember earlier in the year he was shooting more and scoring. Cream even commented on this fact. What your stats did not include was the number of dribbles or to’s per min played. After all IU lead ALL major conferences in to’s per game. Crean should quit prancing the side line trying to be a puppeteer and not try to dictate every move. And if he can’t dictate every move verbally he then goes out on the court and pushes the player where he thinks he should go. I think this should have been technical foul. Let’s face it the only player who likes his offense ( or lack thereof ) is Yogi. He gets to dominate the offense and get his points. Please watch some other teams and learn what this game is all about. The” general ” is probably shaking his head at this style of play. The other big 10 coaches are glad they only have to plug the middle and stop Yogi. IU is now a “cup cake”.
Bob Morgan

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By: INUnivHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209221 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 19:05:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209221 In reply to Robert J Morgan.

No, I don’t find it amazing.

Player
Points
Minutes
Points/Minute

YF
17.3
33.8
0.511834

NV
11.3
26.5
0.426415

SR
6.4
16.9
0.378698

WS
11.4
30.3
0.376238

TW
7.3
21.5
0.339535

JH
5.7
18.3
0.311475

EG
5.5
20.4
0.269608

AE
2
10.6
0.188679

I do find it amazing, if you only care about points made per game, that you aren’t wondering why Stan, Troy, and Jeremy didn’t get more of Evan’s minutes.

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By: iubase https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209218 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 18:20:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209218 In reply to SeeingRed.

you make good points. I do believe he was in a unique position when he came. If he fails to get to the final 8 next yr – with yogi and vonleh – then he probably would be replaced. I believe next yr IU will do extremely well.
the trajectory of this team has been great until we lost in the sweet 16, and injuries played a major role there. This team is young and next yr they should be fine. Agree this was not a great CTC yr by any means.

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By: MillaRed https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209208 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 17:28:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209208 In reply to CreanFaithful.

I’m not spending one second counting anything. Like the way you operate though. All the Crean lovers aren’t posting!!!!

Good grief.

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By: KmanCRK https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209161 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 14:29:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209161 In reply to ForeverIU.

I think in general, I still believe Coach Crean has the program in the best shape its been in since the early 90’s. I know that’s hard to hear after this season (hard to write). But I do think the we lost a ton not just in shooters and talent but experience. But Crean deserves a lot of credit for getting us back in the National Spotlight and getting MCD AA’s to come back to Bloomington year after year. I think back to the Verdell, Rivers years and I could easily blame lack of ability on our problems. This year’r team while young, had great players. I know great might sound a bit strong to some, but Will and Yogi could’ve been All-Big Ten types, Vonleh was often a stud and Robinson filled a great void left by Victor of playing great Defense and getting to the hoop. What really got to me after watching that IL game, was that so many of our turnovers, just like back in November, were just egregious and made you want to pull your hair out. I mean I could drive to any venue in the state this weekend to watch H.S. ball and I doubt I see as many bone head decisions being made. So when I say I’m starting to doubt Crean’s ability to “teach” the game, that is mainly what I’m talking about. Turning it over is one thing when you’re pressing and pushing the ball and playing aggressive. But our turnovers were of the unforced kind. Way too many home run passes getting taken away. Crean has mentioned it so many times in pressers about not giving up “live ball turnovers” that I know he sees it as well. But I don’t get why he was never able to get the kids to realize it.

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By: CreanFaithful https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209128 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 13:27:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209128 In reply to MillaRed.

Did you take a poll? Just curious where you got the numbers… my guess is most supporters are steering clear of the message boards. Just pointing out that there is no need to go digging into stats to try to pile anything on. Turnovers are quite obviously an issue with this team.

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By: Ole Man https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209124 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 13:07:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209124 In reply to Kenneth234.

Choke marks? Chair throwing?
I see no joke.
Rather a blatant attempt to disparage Knight and IU basketball in general.

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By: MillaRed https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209104 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 04:22:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209104 In reply to CreamandCrimson.

I’m with Walton C&C. Even in our sweet 16 seasons we had head scratching conversations about Coach. The trends are over a decade old.

VAHoosier mentioned this stubborn thing and I’m on board with it. It’s awkward. I think he is awkward. The clapping, pacing, bitter interviews. I’m out.

So next year? It’s Vonleh or bust for this guy IMO. This staff knows what just went down this season. They have been exposed to the max. They are getting paid. Time to produce man. Didn’t happen. It’s going to be very interesting.

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By: Gregory Spera https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209090 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 01:50:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209090 In reply to Snookafly.

Ouch.

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By: MillaRed https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209067 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 01:03:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209067 In reply to CreanFaithful.

MY smear campaign? Are you reading these posts? You are officially in the 25% minority as your screen name suggests. Why am I the campaigner here? It’s everywhere.

I don’t need to smear anything. Coach does it just fine himself.

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By: MillaRed https://www.insidethehall.com/2014/03/13/hoosiers-roller-coaster-season-stagnates-in-loss-to-illini-in-big-ten-tournament-opener/comment-page-2/#comment-209063 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 00:59:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=38090#comment-209063 In reply to VAHoosier.

Well said VA. Stubborn def seems to be in play here. Some might say being stubborn is due to……..what? Immaturity? Selfishness? Intelligence? He’s 48 years old.

Different levels of intelligence. I’m thinking not high level when I watch the decisions in game. I could use another word to describe these decisions. But I won’t go there. Didn’t work out for me last time.

Once again nice post.

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