Comments on: Kentucky’s free throws prove to be the difference https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/ Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball news, recruiting and analysis. Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:51:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: BtownBeliever https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-132011 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:51:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-132011 IU had chances to win. Lots of missed shots in the 2nd half, and the missed front ends of 1-n-1s in the 1st. Pritch was burned 4 plays in a row on drives to the bucket.  I think the more confidence uk gained, the more demoralized IU became. You could even hear it in Royce Waltman’s voice.  Loved the look on CWat’s face when asked if “it was monotonous” to watch uk shoot free throws over & over. Like, what an a-hole. Also loved that Crean coached right to the final buzzer.

Everyone is talking about Yogi vs Jordan. I don’t see why Yogi can’t handle the ball, freeing Jordan as a shooting guard. He’s deadly off catch & shoot. Still, what a problem to have!

Thanks to the person who recognized that Cody totally took Davis to school. I was so hoping IU would’ve been in a different bracket for a possible Cody/Tyler game.

Incredible season, guys! Thanks!

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By: smartybucket https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131915 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:29:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131915 Haven’t seen this comment yet.  The reason we couldn’t stop the penetration was because everybody was afraid to touch someone and get a foul.  Everyone seemed to be in foul trouble just getting out of the way of the driver.  Victor played the way you ought to – but he fouled out.  Kentucky had the same problem.  They weren’t stopping our penetration to the rim either.  Again afraid to foul.  So besides the calls actually made, the tight officiating effected the game in other ways – by the way the guys were forced to play.  Announcers kept saying why won’t anyone stop anyone.  Because they undoubtedly foul!  Just get out of the way, that’s the only safe thing to do.  This went both ways – and then Kentucky’ unheard of free throw shooting won the game.  95%, if they shoot even 75% (which is more typical) this game could have gone either way.  They would have scored 5-7 points fewer, and we might not have had to make a few of those final fouls.  So Officiating was huge – not necessarily one sided but huge – and then Kentucky’s free throw shooting down the stretch locked it up.  Far cry from Memphis in the ship a few years ago.

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By: smartybucket https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131914 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:29:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131914 Haven’t seen this comment yet.  The reason we couldn’t stop the penetration was because everybody was afraid to touch someone and get a foul.  Everyone seemed to be in foul trouble just getting out of the way of the driver.  Victor played the way you ought to – but he fouled out.  Kentucky had the same problem.  They weren’t stopping our penetration to the rim either.  Again afraid to foul.  So besides the calls actually made, the tight officiating effected the game in other ways – by the way the guys were forced to play.  Announcers kept saying why won’t anyone stop anyone.  Because they undoubtedly foul!  Just get out of the way, that’s the only safe thing to do.  This went both ways – and then Kentucky’ unheard of free throw shooting won the game.  95%, if they shoot even 75% (which is more typical) this game could have gone either way.  They would have scored 5-7 points fewer, and we might not have had to make a few of those final fouls.  So Officiating was huge – not necessarily one sided but huge – and then Kentucky’s free throw shooting down the stretch locked it up.  Far cry from Memphis in the ship a few years ago.

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By: AtariHero https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131817 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 02:13:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131817 I was at the game, so I had to check my DVR for the various calls and non-calls when I got home. It seemed that one of the calls on Davis was possibly bad (called a little tight). Also, the moving screen violations were similarly bad calls. The refs panicked and then decided to “even it up” with 2 absurd calls in 4 seconds against Zeller. But after those calls – I think the count was 7 fouls on IU to 3 to Kentucky. Even before we started fouling at the end of the game, the refs weren’t calling it both ways, and it was clearly favoring Kentucky.
For the rest of the game, it seemed that when Zeller drew serious contact in the restricted area, they didn’t call it. But when Kentucky drew similar contact on rebounds, or slashing trough the lane, they got lots of calls. Towards the end of the first half, and sometime in the middle of the second half – refs seemed to want to even the foul calls, and called a bunch of tight calls against KY. But those were not shooting fouls, and weren’t advantageous for IU. But statistically, it “evened” the foul calls.
Anyhow – it is what it is.

I also think that in the Baylor – Xavier game, they made even more egregious mistakes. There was a ball clearly off of a Baylor guy and the refs threw up his hands and said he didn’t know who it was out on. It became a “jump ball”. It’s just a bummer when the refs are so involved that it ends up changing the outcome of the game.

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By: Rikker68 https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131744 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:26:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131744 In reply to IU_hoopster.

 They only made 8 fts in the last 1:45 not 14

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By: IUJeff https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131736 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:09:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131736 In reply to Andrew.

That is pretty weak Andrew. Show some class. 

Will DE be playing from 8 – 12th on the depth chart next year, yes. But he can and will improve, and he can and will contribute IMO.  

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By: Andrew https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131718 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:19:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131718 In reply to Luke72.

No, pretty accurate remarks.  I’m glad he’s a great student, but we’re talking about what happens on the court.  We’re trying to win a title. We’re trying to beat teams like Kentucky.  Shoot, we’re trying not to get swept by UW for the 50th straight year.  He can flat out shoot the ball at AH against the Howards of the world.  Put him out there in a high level game and the poor guy doesn’t have a chance.  Doesn’t make him a bad dude or make me a hater.  I have nothing but facts to back me up.  He’s a big body and is experienced; he can help some next year.  But a guy who doesn’t even know how to run the baseline against a press as a junior in college is not somebody you can count on in a big spot.  Really, it’s silly to even be talking about him.  If Wat can bring it on a more consistent basis (seems likely), plus Hanner’s athleticism (how does he not play 15 min/game next year?), and Cody will be playing more b/c he’ll be older and *should* be able to avoid the fouls that sometimes limited his minutes this season…DE’s role will decrease even more, and he only averaged about 13 min/game this year.

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By: IUJack https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131713 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:25:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131713 In reply to Luke72.

Sorry, on the floor he is a SPACE CADET!  Like I said on another post, maybe next year it will click with him.  He has a high moter and the basketball skills to be a strong contributer, but right now he does to many dumb things on the floor.  I would like nothing better for him to get it together and help on the interior.

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By: IUJack https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131709 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:14:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131709 In reply to Jon McClain.

All the stat polls show IU around 9 thru 11.  NO doubt in my mind that we should have had a 3 seed and NOT playing KY so early.  Our stats were much better then Duke’s and they got a 2 seed and went out WAY early.

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By: IUJack https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131710 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:14:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131710 In reply to Jon McClain.

All the stat polls show IU around 9 thru 11.  NO doubt in my mind that we should have had a 3 seed and NOT playing KY so early.  Our stats were much better then Duke’s and they got a 2 seed and went out WAY early.

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By: IUJack https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131708 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:08:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131708 In reply to SCHoosier.

Half the drive to the hole fouls consisted of jumping into the IU player and acting like you got fouled.

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By: IUJack https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131706 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:05:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131706 In reply to Kenneth234.

YES, you are correct!  Several of those not called on KY.  Still Pritch his last 3 dunks.  He is definitly no Air Pritch…….

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By: MillaRed https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131705 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:51:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131705 In reply to SCHoosier.

Like I said, I would have been OK with 10 more FTs, but not 20. I’m not cool with that in any game. We should have shot more free throws.

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By: SCHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131697 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:37:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131697 In reply to Aceman_Mujezinovic_07.

U may be right on all that..all I can see though is that Crean likes Cal..is sincere in his appreciation and respect for UK’s talent..coaching and playing style. Cal is on record as saying he “hates” the one and done rule” but as long as its there..he intends to use it. Plenty of opportunity to cheat with the money thrown around in Lexington by boosters…but all Cal has done there so far is bring in top talent who want to win one year and make some big money (legally) in the NBA. If its allowed…its gonna happen.

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By: SCHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131696 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:32:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131696 In reply to MillaRed.

Milla- just go back and count the drives to the hole..that WAS the UK game plan..discovered in the last 10 minutes of the first game. Go hard with those athletes to the hole..score or make them foul you..they did..and we did. Playing defense against a team like that makes you tired..you reach more..more fouls..it justs snowballs..and did Friday night. IU can and should attack many teams the same way next year..they have the skills.

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By: SCHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131695 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:32:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131695 In reply to MillaRed.

Milla- just go back and count the drives to the hole..that WAS the UK game plan..discovered in the last 10 minutes of the first game. Go hard with those athletes to the hole..score or make them foul you..they did..and we did. Playing defense against a team like that makes you tired..you reach more..more fouls..it justs snowballs..and did Friday night. IU can and should attack many teams the same way next year..they have the skills.

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By: SCHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131694 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:30:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131694 In reply to CH.

well the missed dunk by TP..missed layup by Jordy..and the fumble of a wide open shot in the break by Zeller didn’t help either..but its all part of the game..and UK can point to some of those things also.

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By: SCHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131693 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:27:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131693 In reply to The_Real_Assembly_Hall.

Not sure its gonna be #1 pre-season. I think it will take a while for the chemistry to emerge with all the new talent joining the flow…top-10 for sure..end of season..who knows:)

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By: SCHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131692 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:24:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131692 In reply to HoosierDawg.

Yogi will stay with anyone on defense..has the foot speed, athleticism etc. Problem is going to be taller point guards will post him up..but with defense help from our bigs..that should be managable. Biggest thing with Yogi is he can really find the open man..score multiple ways when he has too is a really smart kid who will be a floor leader. I’m glad he’s only 5-11..cause if he were 6-3..he’d be “one and done”..he’s that talented.

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By: SCHoosier https://www.insidethehall.com/2012/03/24/kentuckys-free-throws-prove-to-be-the-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-131691 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:19:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=20448#comment-131691 In reply to Luke72.

I hope u are right about DE..cause he can shoot. Problem is he lacks the foot speed..movement and physical flexibility to guard and score on the really athletic  and quick small /power forwards he will have to guard in key games. I think he will have a role..but if Wat comes back..VO and WS improve..and with Perea and Hollowell demanding minutes with their atheticism…DE has plenty of reason to be movitated to improvement over the off season.

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