Comments on: Tom Crean’s comments at Big Ten Media Day in Chicago https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/ Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball news, recruiting and analysis. Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: JerryCT https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105189 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:25:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105189 In reply to Drewp1.

I honestly do not know what you are referring to , UCONN, VCU, MARQ and KY I suppose. These are the only teams playing DD in the sweet 16 .

BUT, ARZ, NC, SDSU, FLA all play spread P&R

DUke/KS plays HI/Lo post , Wisc – Swing, Rich – Princeton, BYU – Fredette, OSU – post feed style

All teams look to drive the ball but as an offensive scheme as popularized by Calipari  it is not a very successful scheme.Teams’ successful at the DD have at least one guy who can blow by anyone at will. Few teams have this player which is why they do not make the sweet 16

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By: Anonymous https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105176 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:23:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105176 In reply to Anonymous.

Yes, the same guy that had a 22.0 turnover rate last season compared to Hulls’ 18.6. The same guy that ignores TP on the pick/roll. The same guy that the offense stalls with when he’s running the point. The same guy that stands 30 feet from the basket and dribbles out the clock.

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By: Anonymous https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105150 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:20:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105150 In reply to Anonymous.

Are you talking about the same Jones that had a higher assists per game than Hulls? He turned it over more too, but that’s because he attempted passes more often than Hulls, not less. Hulls was the better passer, not the more willing one.

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By: Anonymous https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105141 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 02:48:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105141 In reply to CoachB.

Exactly, I think this is where Crean is coming from when he says that he stopped practice and told the team that CZ needed to at least touch the ball each possession, not necessarily score each time, but at least get a touch to try and make the D do what you so aptly explained above. This is also a good example of how CZ, having the bball IQ that he does, makes the others around him better

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By: Anonymous https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105137 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:32:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105137 In reply to unclekerfuffle.

Been there.  Done that.  Doing it right now.

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By: Drewp1 https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105134 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:06:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105134 Those who dont like DD, curious if you watched last years tourney. Especially the later rounds. I watched some teams do it to perfection. They had the players to do it. It was a thing of beauty. It works. We might have to wait till Yogi and company get here to see the benefits.

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By: unclekerfuffle https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105130 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:18:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105130 In reply to unclekerfuffle.

I should know not to drink this much beer and then post.

I meant–Hopefully, your last line is prophetic.

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By: IUball https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105129 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:17:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105129 In reply to Anonymous.

It sure isn’t rocket science. Cody, Cody, Cody!

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By: IUball https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105126 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:15:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105126 In reply to The Movement.

I completely agree! Just going through Cody is going to be better offense than we had all of last year. Cody is not only our best scorer, but our best passer as well. 

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By: unclekerfuffle https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105125 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:12:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105125 In reply to JerryCT.

I am hopefully your last line is prophetic.

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By: unclekerfuffle https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105124 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:01:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105124 In reply to CoachB.

Thanks, Coach; I actually understood that.  It’s going be fun to watch it develop.

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By: unclekerfuffle https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105123 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:57:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105123 In reply to MM.

Thanks for the explanation, MM.  That makes sense

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By: Anonymous https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105117 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:05:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105117 In reply to Bleeding Crimson.

The team should learn fairly quickly.  Reminds me being in the locker room as an underclassman as my HS coach blew up.  We had a gifted senior post player, a 20-10 guy, who wasn’t getting the ball. 

Coach comes in and blows up: “Guards, you’ve got the @#$! County Bank in the post and you’re not giving him the ^%#$ ball.  You wanna play hero, you’ll do it on the JV…(more swearing/yelling)…”

Starting guards were benched to start the half and the first 5 possessions were run for our big man.  Didn’t have another problem the rest of the season. 

If Crean wants to run things through Zeller, it’ll happen. 

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By: Anonymous https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105111 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:20:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105111 Very revealing comments by Crean..especially about the need for Cody to be involved all the time..in the offense.. Coach also..without throwing anybody under the bus..hit on some of the challenges IU has faced the last 3 years (no upper classmen…being a “speciality” team without five well rounded players available all the time etc.) Let’s hope the emphasis on defense “takes.”

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By: Anonymous https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105110 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:07:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105110 In reply to Anonymous.

I actually have been a big VJIII supporter but you can’t deny the fact that he dribbles too much and isn’t always a willing passer. Hulls passes the ball and RA has shown a willingness to pass quite often when I’ve seen him play. Just judging based on past performance. 

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By: The Movement https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105109 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:02:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105109 “We stopped practice in a very emphatic way and said that the basket didn’t count — or we weren’t going to score unless he touched it. It didn’t mean he had to score it, but he had to touch it in a scoring position.

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS! Cody is the best player on the roster, and everything on offense should move through him. Whether he can score with a post move, or kick out to Jordy when he draws a double team, or give CW a 1 on 1 opportunity, things will flow so much better this year with Cody on floor.With him in there, and him getting the ball, I can’t see those 5 to 6 minute droughts without scoring anymore, and thats going to be a big, big key in “taking the next step” as we talk about so much on this board here.

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By: JerryCT https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105108 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:01:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105108 To Unclekerfuffle:

I think the inconsistency means we are going to run a different offense part of the time because you are right about where the post plays in the DD 90% of the time.

Keep in mind we have no proven drivers off the dribble. Thus the post DE or TP must come out to set a pick to shake anybody loose. Then they have to get back to the weakside of the lane like a yo-yo. I would say 40% of the time TP has to come out to get an outlet pass to free up a hounded and stalled Hulls or Jones.

I have said before that in DE,TP and now CZ we have big passers which fit nicely into a cutting , screening and passing game that VO and WS are particularly good at. Then when help comes to the cutter Hulls nails the open 3 on a kick out

Of course I am guessing but I see less DD this year …………… mercifully

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By: MillaRed https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105103 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:29:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105103 In reply to CoachB.

Your second paragraph tells it all. The defense can no longer camp in the lane. Unless, of course TP’s man stays there and forces him to hit the 10 footer. Hopefully Hanner masters the short range game so no one can go anywhere. They usually end up in “no-man’s land” and that leads to fouls on the driver.

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By: Adam B https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105097 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:58:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105097 In reply to unclekerfuffle.

Ask DeMarcus Cousins what the dribble-drive does for post players.

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By: Bleeding Crimson https://www.insidethehall.com/2011/10/27/tom-creans-comments-at-big-ten-media-day-in-chicago/comment-page-1/#comment-105096 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:47:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=15464#comment-105096 In reply to Anonymous.

I’m pretty sure if CTC is stopping practice to point this out, he will do it in game situations.   Like he said, we never really had a true post player to learn to do this.  So this could take some time for the rest of the team to figure it out…but I’m pretty sure CTC already knows.  Our team will be a different team and style of ball moving forward.

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