Comments on: Poor offense, turnovers doom Indiana in Ann Arbor https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/ Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball news, recruiting and analysis. Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:29:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: MillaRed https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45917 Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:29:19 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45917 I'm beginning to believe this lack of a big man theory. We have so many other problems but this has been the case for two years. Pritchard and Capo are not athletic at all. They both really lack in footwork thus all the awkward fouls. These are not scoring centers.

I see Watford getting a decent amount of flack. I think when this kid gets that 15-20 pounds of muscle he will be a monster. Call him shorter than 6'9″ etc I don't think it matters. The kid is smooth as silk for his size. I know he is soft around the basket but he can shoot and defend. Furthermore, it seems he is the only kid that looks pissed out there when we are losing. The rest of the team look like they are feeling sorry for themselves.

The opinion seems split on what Hulls should or shouldn't be doing. But if you think about it, all Jordan is from being solid is hittting 2-3 more of those three pointers a game. And I think he can do it. Now you're looking at a 11 points a game. I would be surprised if he isn't hitting them consistently next year if not 2012.

Say a prayer for Bawa. Because if our centers can't score I at least want them to rebound and defend. Zero rebounds for Pritchard? Good grief.

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By: cooper https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45880 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:18:35 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45880 Your right. Its pretty bad when the best rebounder, defender and toughest player is your PG.

As for all the blocked shots its pretty simple. The small guys love driving to the baseline where they get cut off and can't pass or shoot out of it without being blocked. The big guys get the ball down low and instead of going straight up or passing out of it, they hold the ball, get doubled and throw up a weak shot or pass.

Team needs to stop getting stuck along the baseline and the bigs need to either go straight up or pass

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By: cooper https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45878 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:12:15 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45878 Its the reason bball isn't fun to watch anymore. Everyone things they should be shooting, no one plays with any toughness. I watched an old Celtics game on ESPN classic and it was great to watch McHale and Parish actually use post moves. Basketball was so much more fun to watch in the late 80's.

I'm only 30 and I'd rather watch games on classic than the games played today

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By: ronb https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45867 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:08:08 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45867 Unless you have an elite freshman player it will be difficult to break some bad habits if they were formed in high school. That is why most in coming freshman fail to become instant stars. On this team Creek was as close as we got. Coaching young players who have bad habits takes time to correct. They will make you proud for a while and disappoint you when you need them the most.
They come into college as stars from high school and all on a sudden their height is matched and the opposing teams defend their 3 point shots. First you have to teach them to play as hard as they can when they are in the game and this team is starting to understand why. They realize they need each other on defense now by the statements they are making. Fans don't get down on them and the coaches. They need us and their families for support right now. IU has never been in this shape before with only 9 teams out of 347 in all of D1 with less experience. They need wisdom from all not patience. Time together in defeats will make them stronger as a group to fix their weaknesses. They want to win just as badly as we do, maybe more. It will get better!

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By: Uncle Joey https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45865 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:37:32 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45865 On another note, did anyone read Tom Crean's twitter updates? ( http://www.twitter.com/TomCrean )

He almost seemed apologetic for the team's performance against Michigan. I'm sure he's starting to hear criticism from fans.

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By: CutterInChicago https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45863 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:46:29 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45863 Haston's shooting (both his 3s and that lovely little hook he developed) PLUS his size were the reasons he went to the NBA. I often imagine how much more interesting that IU team would have been had he stayed another year for the 2001-2002 season….

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By: IUBB https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45862 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:35:41 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45862 At this point we are still playing Division II BB. We should be farther along.

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By: marsh21 https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45861 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:52:58 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45861 I've read a few comments about our guys being 6-8 or 6-9 and getting their shots blocked a lot. Well there are some reasons for all those blocks. Watford, Prichard, Elston and Capo all do the same thing and that's consistantly lean into their shots with defenders in front of them who have equal size. It's easy to block when the offensive player doesn't jump up but into you. They developed poor habits in high school making that move to the bucket as few defenders had that size.

When making that move they should stop and pop a 5 to 8 footer off the glass unless they have the angle or free lane to the bucket. I've been yelling at the TV since the start of the season because of this and I'm more frustrated as the coaches clearly are not working with them on this fundamental part of the game for low post moves.

I've seen Elston, Prichard, Capo and Watford all hit medium range shots and further but they have all stoped looking for those shots which must be coming from the staff? Once the defenders get burned on the shots a few times then those lanes will become open as they will take chances to stop those shots.

I believe if they would just change this one item on their offensive style we would see a huge improvement in this team.

By the way, congratulations to Crean for the team's GPA! Very impressive and much improved. This should not be taken for granted.

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By: Dirk https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45858 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:50:56 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45858 Kirk Haston used the sky hook, but I think it was his 3-point shooting that made him a 1st round pick.

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By: MikeinNC https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45856 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:02:39 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45856 No credible inside offensive threats=defenses cheating out on our 3-point shooters. So we live and die with a young team launching heavily contested 3 pointers, which will make for a roller coaster year.

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By: marcusgresham https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45854 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:14:28 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45854 No kidding—George Zidek was the only player in the last 30 years I can remember using the sky hook in college; AND IT GOT HIM TO THE NBA with marginal talent. It's virtually impossible to defend and no one uses it.

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By: IUMIKE1 https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45853 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:51:39 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45853 Kreigh:

I hear you. Seems like I'm the same way maybe if we both take the same approach it will have a better chance of happening. I'm willing to try almost anything at this point.

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By: Kreigh_Smiths_Short_Shorts https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45840 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:24:34 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45840 I've figured out how to guarantee IU's success! From now on I am going to choose Tijan Jobe as my Pick to Click player. Why will that guarantee success? Because every game (with the exception of three) I choose a player and he does atrociously. I'm responsible for VJIII's poor performance in the last couple games. I pick Watford, he scores 6. I pick Creek, he gets injured. Thus, If I pick Jobe the rest of the way, a player who doesn't score anyway, IU is golden!

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By: Kelin Blab https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45831 Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:10:24 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45831 GFDave….I have never seen so many guys who are allegedly 6'9 or so, get their shots blocked. Bobby C cannot shoot over ANYONE without getting it blocked. I have to say the same with Elston who apparently is a good athlete.

I heard Kareem on the radio yesterday say something that sticks out in my mind alot….He said in response to a question of why no one uses the sky hook anymore…..his response….”Big kids don't want to play center anymore, they all want to have guard skills and not center….”

That may be the problem where we don't see a decent post move anymore…..

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By: IUMIKE1 https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45824 Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:17:56 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45824 I'm wondering:

Was our defense one of our bright spots or is UM not nearly as good as some think or a combination of both I am inclined to think it is a little of both.

When is the time going to come when are leading rebounder is not a guard. With the exception of Waterford (8 boards) front court was MIA on the boards,Capo only 2 boards in 15 minutes, Elston only 1 board but only 10 minutes and then there is TP's board work,0, yes 0 boards in 21 minutes WOOOW how does a player as tall as him not get even 1 rebound better yet has does someone play that many minutes and not get at least 1 board, regardless of how tall they are. 3 rebounds from the combination of those three in 46 minutes of action does not, will not and can not get it done.

Do we miss Creek so bad that we shoot 6.7 % (1 for 15) from behind the arc. If we cannot shoot better than that it is going to take more than his return to right the ship.

When Watford will have that kind of a game when the other team is as big as he is. Yes he had a good game but then again he should have had that kind of game against the kind of team that UM puts on the floor.

And lastly I'm wondering if after getting back to Btown the coaches went straight to the gym with Bawa. This fan certainly is hoping so as he inches his way back off of the ledge.

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By: GFDave https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45819 Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:16:31 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45819 I think the whole team lacks confidence right now. Pritchard won't shoot 8 foot bunnies. Neither will Elston, who also is very shaky at the line. Hulls is not comfortable shooting 3's and is hurrying to get them off. Capo doesn't even look for offense and only came up with 2 boards. Rivers wasn't looking for his shot either.

On the other hand, Jones has way too much confidence in his 3. He needs to stop taking those and concentrate on his excellent mid-range game.

A few positives that I saw:

Dumes was under control and generally made good decisions.
Capo gave us good effort.
Hulls drive to the rim was nice
Watford's scoring was the only thing we had going

A few questions I have:

Does anybody think Elston and Watford are really 6'9'? They sure do play under the basket a lot for guys that are supposed to be that tall. They have almost no explosion to the rim. Passed up numerous dunk opportunities to put soft shots off the glass.

Same question with Capo. I think he might be as short as 6'6″

Nice to see Zach on ScoopTalk. Good job.

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By: Hardwood83 https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/15/poor-offense-turnovers-doom-indiana-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-45817 Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:55:56 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5148#comment-45817 That was tough to watch. There will be games when the jumpers & 3's aren't falling so you need other ways to score- either running, drives or post-up game….none were evident last night. It's obvious they miss Creek- but now someone else has to step-up or there will be more ugly messes like this.

FT's (both lack of opportunities & % made) and TO's continue to hurt a lot too, the former a result of this developing into a jump-shooting team. I think the biggest offensive issue is the lack of any semblance of an inside threat. Pritchard needs someone else to drive & dish to open him up, he can't (or least hasn't been) creating his own shot. IU needs a big man that can score.

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