Comments on: Good, Bad and Ugly: Pitt https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/ Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball news, recruiting and analysis. Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:16:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: CreamandCrimson https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44286 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:16:12 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44286 This has been a good discussion about the benefits of a zone defense (who would have thought) and what we can do to slow Kentucky down. We all agree that the 2-3 zone will be our best chance to keep Wall and Bledsoe on the perimeter. We then hope they aren't hitting their outside shots and that they aren't finding the holes in the zone.

I agree that zone is really our only option. Problem is, IU is not a great zone team. They aren't even a good zone team at this point. Kentucky will know it's coming. The Hoosiers are going to have to execute perfectly on offense for 40 minutes (turnovers will lead to easy Kentucky buckets) to keep this one close. The Hoosiers have a chance but everyone needs to be on.

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By: I love IU https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44235 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:41:18 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44235 Wat gets his shot blocked because he bring the ball back to far on his jumper. He puts it over his head which makes his release to slow. Thats why his shots are getting blocked. he need to finish fast with hooks and up and unders. No jumper under the basket. His stride is long but I think it's he works hard. His facial expression make you think he's not in the game but he is. Look at the stats.

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By: I love IU https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44234 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:22:57 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44234 Creek shut Wall down the second half of there game last year in Vagas. Creek also scored all over him. All he did after halftime was step back. Halls will do good on him too. Take a half step back off of him and make him shoot jumpers. His athleticism will not be a factor then.

What I do know is IU better stop given the baseline or our bigs will get dunked all over. I am seeing a lot of teams giving the baseline then trying to trap. I think that's what is going on with guards releasing to the bigs to trap but the communication is not there yet (Tom Prichards foul trouble). If I was coach I would take away the baseline looking to get the charge on Wall or whoever he try to through the alley oop too. Step right in front of whoever they try to set up for the oop before they leave the ground.

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By: cooper https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44232 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:15:04 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44232 Kelin

I think Patterson has to be let go. The key is going to be only allowing one guy to get 20 plus points. If they have more than one going for twenty IU clearly has no chance. The zone is the best chance to keep Wall and Bledsoe from going off unless they hit their shots from deep. If they do, the game is over. I think Patterson can score but he scores a lot of his points on the penetration of the other players and rebounds. We have to box him out and keep him from easy shots in the lane. Keep him shooting the 10-15 foot jumper. If he hits, again the game is over.

In addition, I'm telling everyone but Rivers, Creek, and Watford to foul foul foul. Screw it. They can't shoot free throws (66% clip). The difference between Pritchard, Jobe, Bawa, Elston, and Capo is minimal. None are really go to guys. Thats 25 fouls we can use to keep them from easy shots. I'm talking knocked on their a$$ fouls too. Wall needs to be on the ground when he comes in the middle, nothing dirty just hard fouling

IU has to pick their battles in this game. Somebody for UK is going to score and probably score alot. The key is making them score shooting jumpers and not layups. If they hit their shots they win. If they have an off day shooting IU has a shot.

The crowd needs to get on Cousins early. We need to hope and pray he throws up and early airball and gets off his game. If he gets a dunk like he did early in the UCONN game on that spin move we are in trouble. I don't think Jobe can stop him but he may be able to piss him off to the point of picking up a T or getting off his game

Cream and Crimson I agree with you. Running will get us blown out but its the only shot of winning. If we had more guys who could create their own shot I'd say slow it down. We need to make them slow down, and we need to speed it up on offense. Hard to do but only shot of winning.

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By: Kelin Blab https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44231 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:03:57 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44231 I think a zone could help with patterson also as he is going to have to find gaps and NOT be able to just sit on the block like he likes too. I will take patterson facing up than him posting up. Secondly it is a little easier to double down in a zone so patterson will have to pass out of it, kinda like what DJ had to do but never really 'got it'………So you got Tijan behind you and elston or someone nearby I think IU will be ok……

Dakich made a good case on why KY is not that good as people are making them out to be a fully agree with his assessment on their experience, depth, and their 'freshmenness'

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By: CreamandCrimson https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44230 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:52:21 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44230 Very good point Cooper. Cousins and Orton don't worry me much. Cousins is very capable of putting up big numbers when his head is screwed on straight. Problem for Kentucky is that doesn't look like it'll happen much this season. Right now, he and Orton both look like big bodies that don't do much. So, yeah, Jobe (and maybe Bawa after Tijan gets in foul trouble) could contain Cousins.
Still, how do we guard Patterson? The 2-3 zone should slow down Wall and force Kentucky to shoot from the perimeter, Cousins and Orton don't worry us, what do we do to contain Patterson? Any thoughts?

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By: BGleas https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44229 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:45:19 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44229 It's not that I don't agree with you and Kelin on the running, I guess it's a difference of swinging for the fences or trying to play situation baseball, if this makes sense? I feel like running gives IU a better chance to win, but also a better chance to get blown out.

Slowing it down probably decreases the chances of pulling the upset, due to reasons you highlighted, but also probably gives IU a better chance at staying in game longer and keeping it close.

I hope that made sense?!?!

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By: Kelin Blab https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44225 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:36:47 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44225 Cooper I never thought I would see the day that Tijan was tabbed to guard someone…however you are 100% right about that matchup. Dakich on his show said Cousins can't shoot over anyone and he said other than a spurt against UNC Kentucky is not that good. Helluva point on how they do not get back on defense. I think IU has more than a good chance to win and to go 2-1 in this three game stretch would be outstanding……

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By: cooper https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44223 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:47:44 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44223 Watched the game last night and while UK is a great team they have some weaknesses. Most would say don't try to run against them, I disagree. They don't get back on Defense and tend to watch the ball. Numerous times last night UCONN got a rebound and all the UK players would stare at him before running back. IU has to attack before they get set on D. Allowing them to set up on D will hurt without a consistent shooter.

On defense IU should be in zone for the majority of the game. It protects Rivers from foul trouble and his injury. IU is going to have trouble staying in front of Wall and Bledsoe and Patterson will be tough to guard one on one. I'd play a tight zone as well, a couple feet off of Wall. If Wall and Bledsoe are hitting their shots then you tip your hat and hope they start missing. If IU is going to play man, I'd put Dumes on Wall. He is the best defender and it will save energy for Rivers.

Patterson will be a problem inside, another guy you give the jumper to so he doesn't just drive by you. When Cousins comes in I'd put Jobe on him. I think Cousins can get frustrated and get in to foul trouble. Jobe is awkward enough to frustrate him.

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By: CreamandCrimson https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44218 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:38:43 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44218 The word they always use on TV is “spurtability”. Kentucky is going to hit IU with a couple of quick six to eight point runs. The key is going to be stopping those runs at six to eight points and not letting them carry on to be 15-2 runs or something like that. Rivers can definitely slow Wall down if he is healthy but I don't know if a pinched nerve is going to heal up by Saturday. His size and strength could give Wall something to think about though.

Again, I am worried about Patterson down low. UConn is a pretty big team and Patterson was able to have his way at times last night. I really don't know if Pritchard, Elston, Capobianco and Jobe are up to the task of handling him down low. KY is now coming off wins over UNC and UConn. I hope they come out a little bit over confident and the Hoosiers put a lead on them early. If that happens, we're in for a game.

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By: Kelin Blab https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44217 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:21:11 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44217 BGLeas….I think if we can handle the couple of runs that will surely come we will be fine. As far as the KY break, last night it was moreso Wall and the other guard than anything but will have to step in take some charges and get back on D. It is a catch 22 but I think we are better when we are in attack mode. I hope like HELL Rivers is healthy as he can at least slow Wall down.

Cousins has been a head case all year, I don't worry a ton about him. Cal has had problems with him over and over. I do like the fact they are coming in off a win, could be a little over confident and have yet to play a solid road game. This crowd could rival the Duke IU game from a few years ago…..

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By: BGleas https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44214 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:35:04 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44214 Kelin, I agree with you on most of this, I think a zone will be effective too, although we'll need special/extra emphasis on rebounding out of the zone. Great thoughts on Watford. Hopefully Crean will put Watford in some situations to isolate Cousins (or whatever big they put on him) on the perimeter and take him off the dribble.

I still disagree on the running thing. KY looked unbelievable on the break last night. With our tendency to get out of control and turn the ball over, it could get out of hand quickly if we play sloppy and allow them to get us in a running game. I do see where you're coming from though, because we have been effective in the running game this year and probably have more turnovers in the halfcourt, it's almost a Catch 22 here 🙂

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By: CreamandCrimson https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44213 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:33:34 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44213 Good point, Kentucky's big guys aren't mobile enough to guard Watford. Question is, are IU's bigs strong and talented enough to guard Patterson, Cousins and Orton? The answer, I fear, is no. Pritchard will probably get into foul trouble pretty quickly and I don't know who is going to contain Patterson. IU might have a quickness advantage down low but KY has a strength, and more importantly, talent edge.

I watched the UConn game and I saw the Cats play against Stanford. I truly believe a zone is the only option we have. They don't have any phenomenal shooters and our man-to-man would get shredded on the perimeter. If the Hoosiers can get off to a good start and get the crowd behind them, this could be a contest. Kentucky has a lot of talent but they only have two consistent players (Wall and Patterson). If the rest of their guys don't show up, Kentucky will be in for a shock! This was a great confidence win over a team that will win 20 games (Dixon does it every year). Go Hoosiers!

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By: Kelin Blab https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44211 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:10:24 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44211 BGleas….I think we have to run with them to an extent and put pressure on their guards and take advantage of our strengths…..We have to attack KY like we attacked Pitt. A truly believe a good zone slows down their guards and forces them to make jump shots. I have alot of confidence in Crean on this one to come up with some tricks up his sleeve.

I think Wateford could have a big game as their bigs are not mobile enough to guard him…I cannot wait

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By: BGleas https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44210 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:24:09 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44210 Good thoughts Kelin. My worry after watching last night is that Crean will try to run with KY. IMO that won't work, they are phenomenal on the break with Wall and Bledsoe running the show. I know Crean wants to implement a fast-break running style, but we just don't have the horses in this one. IMO the best way for a win is to play zone as you suggest and to try to slow the pace down and make it a half-court game.

Looking forward to the game and hopefully IU surprises some people!

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By: BGleas https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44209 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:21:39 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44209 Love this comment Jerry! I don't hate Hulls at all. Nothing would make me happier than seeing him develop into a Hurley, Coverdale or Deiner type player. That would be awesome and I can see flashes at times. But, he just not even close to that yet, and as I said in an above comment, that's ok he's only a freshmen.

I think the problem is that people had unfair expectations of Hulls for this season and now anybody who disagrees with those expectations after seeing him play is labeled a “hater”. Again, he probably will be, and I hope he is, a great player as he develops, but he's not there yet. I still think he was a great recruit for Crean to get and I'm glad he's at IU.

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By: BGleas https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44208 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:15:04 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44208 Please bring rational thoughts to the table next time.

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By: Kelin Blab https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44198 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:27:06 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44198 Some early KY thoughts….
+ We should play a zone if we slow them down.
+ They play like freshmen…good ones….but freshmen
+ John Wall is very good
+ KY's defense is about as good as Indiana's…which means it is OK
+ It will absolutely be a competitive game
+ Dicky V….thinks we will give KY a game….Thanks Dicky V, we may name AH after you and not Bobby…

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By: cooper https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44197 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:47:52 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44197 surprisingly Rod Wilmont is doing pretty well in the D League…never thought he would still be playing anywhere

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By: JerryCT https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/09/good-bad-and-ugly-pitt/comment-page-2/#comment-44196 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:22:51 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4612#comment-44196 Yes, I just thought your post was the right spot. I support your comments.

To the extent we have fans on this site that are hard on players I think Dumes probably ranks #1 and TP #2 . I donot believe they deserve it and honestly all of the players deserve our support they are working their butts off

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