Comments on: Good, Bad and Ugly: Loyola (Md.) https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/ Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball news, recruiting and analysis. Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:58:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: OldIUGymnast https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44916 Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:58:20 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44916 I watched that “foul” from 5 angles… that was a weak anticipation call. Rivers did NOT touch him

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By: Brian Evans https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44900 Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:33:57 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44900 i never said knight was a perfect coach, i said i liked his offense.
and i never blamed those early exits on the offense which still provided good shots, i blamed that on knights psychology games backfiring and having the whole team afraid to shoot upon entering the tourney. remember how each of those years we would usually win a preseason tourney, climb the rankings to top 10-15 and then get progressively worse throughout the season. i had always blamed the descent of knights final hoosier teams on his psychological scare tactics that didnt work anymore. and if you would watch the games IU was playing timid and often our star players were gunshy in the tourney. thats why when you had mike davis, a positive guy and a descent motivator, coaching knights players, who had been taught the game well, they went to the ship.

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By: DCdave https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44896 Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:48:30 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44896 Brian Evans……..
How many times did the motion offense choke in the tourney????????
Do the Richmond, Colorado, Pepperdine, Cleveland State, etc losses ring a bell?

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By: Brian Evans https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44888 Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:09:44 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44888 This is the conversation I want to have.

I don't want to be wisconsin or purdue, i want to be INDIANA!! We were the program that wisconsin and purdue are trying to imitate. A team that kept players 4 years and brought them into a program or system of basketball that really taught them the game and vied for championships. We won championships because we played better basketball, though we did have good players (but oftentimes we were outmatched as far as talent and still won). I don't want to play a poor game of basketball, and yes i think pro style offenses are poor form, just to try and get the good players. I don't want to look like memphis, kentucky, or even NC, though NC would be much preferred. I want to play good Indiana basketball and attract the players who want to learn how to play the game well. Andrae Patterson's, Isaiah Thomas', Alan Henderson's, Steve Alford's, AJ Guyton's, we got good talent before by playing a smart, fundamentally sound game, why can't we now? Why do we have to race to the bottom to cross our fingers that the next john wall comes here?. He probably won't. The wondeful thing about Knights teams was that we never had to cross our fingers for john walls or dewyane wade type talent, because even with less talented teams we could keep up with anyone, though Isaiah Thomas didn't hurt, haha. Crean's whole mantra coming in was, “this is Indiana,” well hopefully sometime soon he will start watching tape to see how Indiana used to play. Because it was a beautiful thing. And a pro-style offense, whether it's Mike Davis', Kelvin Sampson's, or Crean's isn't considered indiana basketball in my book and it is an affront to probably the most knowledgable fan base, in terms of bball IQ, in the country (even when taskmaster75 is included.). And it kills me to say this but Purdue, or even butler's, team this year is the closest thing to Indiana Basketball I've seen in this state since '01. They have local players, playing good defense, and running efficient, smart offensive sets.

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By: HoosierSmitty https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44887 Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:36:38 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44887 Can anyone in the press tell me if Crean is getting asked questions such as …

1. How does a guy who scored 31 and 29 in the last two games only take 6 shots?
2. To what degree has Jeremiah Rivers worked on how to shoot free throws?
3. How prepared were you to break the press?
4. What alternative plans did you come up with when your game plan obviously wasn't working?
5. How well do you think the current team fits your offensive style?
6. Have you talked to Christian Watford about how pathetic it is that he gets blocked 3-4 times a game when he's 6'7 and an athlete? Do you work on anything related to this, because he just does the same thing again and again and again? 29 turnovers and he's not even a ballhandler!

I'm not in the press room…but it seems like from what I hear, there aren't a lot of tough questions being asked. Does the media just give Crean a free pass again this year?

I support him and this team…I just want to know some of these answers.

Ugh…I hope Bryant stinks as bad as we think they do. The Hoosiers need to embarass someone out of the gym to make us feel better.

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By: HoosierSmitty https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44886 Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:30:28 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44886 How does Maurice Creek only take 6 shots after scoring 31 and 29 the last two games?

Don't tell me Coach Patsos of “double teaming Curry at the half court while the rest of the team plays 4 on 3” fame masterminded some shut down of Creek. If you want to tell me that Loyola (MD) can “shut down” Maurice Creek, then what are Big Ten teams going to be able to do against us? We're flat out screwed if this is the case.

That's just ridiculous. You gotta make sure Creek is getting some looks. He had to force a shot early in the game because nothing was being done to get him open. He's the one guy on our team with a knack for making shots and making GOOD things happen on a regular basis.

6 shots and 1 free throw? Give me a break. Some things are not that complicated.

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By: IUonetwo https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44870 Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:03:36 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44870 From what I've heard Roth will be redshirting this season.

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By: Luke72 https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44869 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:36:16 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44869 Coach Crean is a great guy! Think that we will be commenting next year at this time—Wait till next year. No Bigs, no Big Ten Championships! Crean's style won't work in the Big Ten!!

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By: Deon Mitchell https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44868 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:34:53 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44868 HEY WHATS THE STATUS ON MATT ROTH… he need to erase DUMAS minutes fast

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By: Taskmaster75 https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44864 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:14:38 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44864 Work in progress insinuates imperfection. What do you expect? I saw imperfection. I also saw a team come back from the depths.

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By: IU DOCTORAL https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44861 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:25:43 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44861 I agree. I'm an IU student from Milwaukee. I followed Crean at Marquette. He's NOT a good X's and O's coach. Just watch an IU game. The offense is horrible. Its sloppy and very inconsistent. At this point its not about being young. IU has good DIV I athletes and yet, we look like Bloomington South on the offensive end. Crean's coaching didn't take Marquette anywhere. Dwayne Wade took Marquette somewhere. Crean does motivate and talk well. And he can recruit—although a positional recruiter. He recruits and recruits PG and SG. IU won't win a sixth unless we get a 'Dwayne Wade' or Crean starts recruiting all positions. We won't hang a sixth banner because of Creans coaching ability. Just like at Marquette, he recruits big men “projects” like Jobe and Maniru. Waste of scholarship.

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By: IUGRAD https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44860 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:14:31 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44860 Work in progress? We played Loyola (MD). At home.

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By: Taskmaster75 https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44857 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:37:57 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44857 So wait a minute. Do you think these freshman are used to missing holidays? This is most likely the first time in their entire LIVES that they have missed Christmas or so. You think that doesn't have some effect? Is it a coincidence that 3 of our four leading scorers were sophomores or above? Ofcourse they give a damn about Indiana. Saying they should forget about what they are used to is completely wishful thinking.

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By: Taskmaster75 https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44856 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:32:03 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44856 I agree with this assessment completely. As much as we all wish we could be Kentucky and go 13-0 with a roster blazing with talent, it doesn't happen all the time. Gotta give it some time.

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By: cooper https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44853 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:02:25 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44853 the fact is those things are one and the same. Players look for teams who run a pro style offense. To get the best players you have to play the style they want to play. IU could play the Princeton system all they want, but that isn't going to matter. Do we really aspire to be Wisconsin or Purdue? Right now we'd all take that, but in the long run its not what I want. Purdue has been irrelevant for years, and Wisconsin has been consistent but not championship quality.

With that said, Crean was out coached, has no rhyme or reason to his substituting, and shouldn't have stopped pressing when it was effective.

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By: gnrnabk1 https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44850 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:23:29 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44850 Totally disagree with your excuse that its Christamas break. These kids were brought to IU to play basketball getting a FREE valuable education. They should at least give a damn about IU pride let alone their own. There is no excuse for lack of hustle!!!! Tom Crean needs to worry more about getting his team ready to play rather than worring about what the fans are chanting.

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By: LTTelamon https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44846 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:42:39 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44846 UNC is a more freeform team than pretty much any. They don't run sets unless they have to. They've been as successful as anyone. I just don't think this is a very accurate point.

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By: LTTelamon https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44845 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:40:55 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44845 That's silly. Just because the NCAA vacated that game does not mean a basketball team did not play that day. And the above argument was with regard to the team that played, not any allegations of impropriety.

Folks that are criticizing Crean's offense maybe should give him the time he's said he needs all along to build a quality team running his system. He's consistently said this would not be the year. Stop acting as if it is. What you are watching is a work in progress.

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By: IU DOCTORAL https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44862 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:25:43 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44862 I agree. I'm an IU student from Milwaukee. I followed Crean at Marquette. He's NOT a good X's and O's coach. Just watch an IU game. The offense is horrible. Its sloppy and very inconsistent. At this point its not about being young. IU has good DIV I athletes and yet, we look like Bloomington South on the offensive end. Crean's coaching didn't take Marquette anywhere. Dwayne Wade took Marquette somewhere. Crean does motivate and talk well. And he can recruit—although a positional recruiter. He recruits and recruits PG and SG. IU won't win a sixth unless we get a 'Dwayne Wade' or Crean starts recruiting all positions. We won't hang a sixth banner because of Creans coaching ability. Just like at Marquette, he recruits big men “projects” like Jobe and Maniru. Waste of scholarship.

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By: Walton https://www.insidethehall.com/2009/12/22/good-bad-and-ugly-loyola-md/comment-page-2/#comment-44863 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:42:53 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4811#comment-44863 IU will be back. One more recruiting class like the one we got this year and we will not be discussing a loss to Loyola Maryland.

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