Comments on: Good, Bad and Ugly: Minnesota https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/ Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball news, recruiting and analysis. Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:33:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Pablito https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-3/#comment-46187 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:33:05 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46187 You don't storm the court after beating an unranked 12-5 team on your home court. You just don't. No matter how bad the last few years have been; no matter WHAT. You just don't do it. It's tacky, it says 'we've never been here before and might not be again' and the world is still laughing about it. Not the kind of respect IU is trying to regain.

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By: MillaRed https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-3/#comment-46093 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:00:41 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46093 Looky here Jerry and Brian Evans, the likes of us that are minimum wage earning carny's have no bizness whatsoever questioning anything Coach Crean does in his entire career at Indiana. Now scuse me while I go tend to my chickens!

This storming the court thing got outta control on this blog. I pointed it out and really didn't like it when it went down. But I get it no biggie. Michigan did the same thing against UCONN.

It is undeniable the folks on here criticizing Crean are fans of his and diehard IU followers. I am VERY glad he's here. Last year it didn't seem to matter what he did. We were so bad it was hard to judge him. Now we are much better and are learning about him on the fly. We beat Michigan, Pitt and Minnesota. There is no denying things are better. Sometimes I just don't understand and share it on here.

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By: GFDave https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-3/#comment-46067 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:58:17 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46067 It is a product of the 1-3-1 which almost always has a smaller, quicker player running the baseline. I agree that Pritch would seem more naturally suited to play the middle of the “3” with maybe Rivers at the top.

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By: GFDave https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-3/#comment-46066 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:54:15 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46066 I told everybody that it was satire upfront. I told everybody I didn't consider myself a Guardian. My whole point is that it isn't about all these things. You missed all of that. I won't ask you the question that is dangling there begging to be asked.

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By: Matt_J https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-3/#comment-46060 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:20:40 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46060 You know what, if you want to look like a pathetic MAC team, I'm sure that they'll be more than willing to accept Indiana's membership application. Why stop there. I'm the OVC wouldn't turn Indiana away, either.

Then you can all storm the court after beating Ball State or Eastern Michigan.

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By: BGleas https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-3/#comment-46045 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:20:12 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46045 Hey Jerry,

I've noticed this too with Hulls getting caught defending big men. It seems to me it's coming more in the man defense. For whatever reason he seems to be getting caught in a lot of switches that leave him on a post player and Elston or Watford guarding his man. On thing I've noticed from Hulls is that he's very good at recognizing this, communicating with his teammates and finding the right time to switch back.

As far as the zone, there was stretch (I believe in the first half) where we were in what looked like a 1-3-1 zone. Elston was in the middle at the high post and I believe VJIII was the runner on the baseline. Sometimes you'll put a big up top to disrupt entry passes against the zone, but I'm not a big fan of pulling one of your bigs that far from the defensive boards.

Not sure if there was a specific reason to play a 1-3-1 against Minny, or if CTC was trying to give a different look.

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By: JerryCT https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-3/#comment-46044 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:50:41 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46044 To BGleas, BrianEvans, Milared, Cooper ………et al that have basketball knowledge and post on this site. I am wondering…………………………………….what is the purpose of the zone when:

a) we put Pritchard or Watford up top say w Jones…………and then

b) we put Hulls, Moore, w Rivers or Dumes down low defending the basket. ???????????

Several times in the game Hulls ended up defending Sampson or Iverson down low and we saw how much trouble he had w Zach Novack in 2 games.

SInce this alignment was by design , ie on purpose, I am wondering what the thinking is. It scared the crap out of me during the game…..anybody know the answer ?

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By: cooper https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-3/#comment-46043 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:28:50 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46043 I never said he wouldn't be. All I've said is he has some shortcomings that over time he will need to improve. I've never said he won't be a good player, I think he will improve and by his junior year will be the starting PG. Right now I think Rivers is the best PG when it comes to getting the ball up the court. I'm fine with Hulls starting at the 2 guard if he is hitting his shots and backing up at PG when Rivers needs a rest. If Hulls isn't hitting shots Dumes should take minutes because he is a better defender. Hulls is a good set shooter and his shooting is improving. His D has gotten better too. I think anyone could agree he shouldn't have been guarding Novak who is Mich best 3pt shooter and 6inches taller than Hulls. Thats not a knock on Hulls its just a fact he isn't tall enough to bother a 6'7 shooter.

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By: BGleas https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-3/#comment-46042 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:24:23 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46042 I understand your point, but at the same time this team is desperate for a leader, and he seems to be stepping up. I agree there's better ways to go about it, but let's also remember that he's learning too. VJIII is a sophomore trying to step up and be a leader in what is still a very difficult situation.

He'll get better at it. I'd worry a bit if these guys didn't seem to like each other so much.

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By: hansschnier https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46041 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:53:31 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46041 These are excellent points. But why limit your condemnation to storming the court?

Personally, I don't even clap after a made basket unless IU is beating UCLA or Kentucky (only teams with more banners than us) by at least 20.

Even though I was only 4 at the time, I have vague recollections of being disgusted at the ostentatious celebrations when IU won the title in '87. They only won by a single point, and if memory serves, they even lost some games that year. Not much to celebrate about if you ask me!

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By: Taskmaster75 https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46039 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:13:02 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46039 Hindsight is 20/20. Should IU have won that game comfortable, people would have praised it as a good strategy and/or completely ignored what happened. However, give Minnesota credit for having the heart to come back, they deserve much more praise than IU deserves fault.

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By: Taskmaster75 https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46038 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:08:29 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46038 I totally agree with the Cal sentiment. That guy is the quintessence of slimy and corrupt. The only guy I would have wanted over Crean would have been Pearl. That guy is a hell of a coach, and can recruit to a place where football is supreme.

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By: peaychris https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46037 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:33:55 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46037 it was a mistake.. there was 9 team fouls then the double tech was called which made it 10.. it was the right call..

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By: valpohistory https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46036 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:22:05 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46036 I'm with you. That played right in front of me when I was at the game. It really was a break-down from VJ3 but we really should just sweep it under the rug. He was yelling at him for not gathering the rebound but it was probably his fault for not sealing the back-side of the rebounder. VJ3 seems like a really nice kid, so it seemed a bit out of character but it was in the heat of the game and he probably just lost his cool. We'll just pretend it didn't happen

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By: valpohistory https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46035 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:12:28 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46035 DO IT! I hate Purdue.

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By: IUMike4 https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46034 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:32:07 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46034 I have one other “bad”- It seems like guys have been barking at each other a lot, particularly VJIII. Now I know he played another inspired game, but he had had his struggles handling the ball as a true freshmen and has matured immensely. I'd like to see him as the calming influence on the freshmen, especially the Capo and Elston as they are just a little work away from becoming very good players. It's not the time to point fingers and don't want to see chemistry issues. Call each other out in front of the team and in practice, not during the game.

Maybe it's nothing though?

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By: cooper https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46033 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:43:14 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46033 I actually think this was a better win than Pitt. Its clear Pitt played a bad game and were missing their best player and just got back another guy. Plus it was early in the year when teams haven't completely jelled.

In this game, IU played tougher than they have in two years, and pulled out a game in overtime most of the faithful thought was over.

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By: cooper https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46032 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:38:42 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46032 It really is a great nickname thank you for spreading it. He actually played his best game and shouldn't have come out, neither should the other two guys, which was my point. Nor, am I the only one to say Hulls shouldn't be playing so much but I appreciate you following everything I've written so closely.

Never said Hulls couldn't play at IU just he shouldn't start or play a ton of minutes unless he is playing well and hitting shots. His transition D is bad but he has time to learn. He was overhyped coming to IU because he is from Bloomington but he is definitely improving as the year goes on.

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By: Guest https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-2/#comment-67664 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:39:00 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-67664 In reply to cooper.

But thats the point. If you watched him at Bloomington South or in AAU you would understand why he was hyped. He won the Mr. Basketball award playing the same way he does now. Anyone who understands basketball understands that its the small things he brings to the game that are what make him a valuable player. I.e. whenever he’s in the game the offense runs smoother. He has a higher basketball iq than anyone else on that court I promise you and its why he was recruited to Duke, Stanford, among others and why he plays now. I understand calling for Moore to not be on the floor or even why Dumes minutes should go up. But there is a reason Crean starts him and anyone who TRULY understands the game of basketball would get it to. The points will come trust me. This is exactly how his career at Bloomington South started and I promise you he will be the player he was “hyped” to be very soon.

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By: Guest https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/01/17/good-bad-and-ugly-minnesota-2/comment-page-2/#comment-46031 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:13:57 +0000 https://www.insidethehall.com/?p=5178#comment-46031 but cooper, hulls aka bloomington jesus was on the floor when they were plus 7. Surely you meant to add there that instead of three subs crean just should have taken hulls out because he is to short cant play transition d and hurts us when he is in. at least those are the things you say every time he is on the court. Surely hulls is such a liability he couldnt have had that much of an impact that he was apart of a plus 7 segment. Him and moore should just go play d2 or NAIA cuz cooper is master of basketball. at least thats what ive gathered from his blogging.

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